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Immigrants and now blacks. he is appealing to the fear vote that will take us backward, not the hope vote that will take us forward." we're joined tonight by joan walsh, editor at large salon.com, and michael eric dyson, msnbc political analyst and georgetown university professor. great to have both of you with us. joan, are you buying his answer at this point? >> -- it sounds so clear and he didn't deny it. and you you know, ed, if i said to you, hey, ed, you know, what on your show last night it sounds like you might have said kind of racist about black people, you would say, joan, you must ...

Acknowledged it was something he could have said. but after his success in the iowa caucuses he rethought his position. last night he gave a new response. >> i'm pretty confident i didn't say black. what i think -- i started to say a word and sort of blu -- sort of mumbled it and changed my thought. i don't recall saying black. what i started to say is a word and sort of change and it sort of blu -- came out. people said i said black. i didn't. i don't use the term black very much. i use the term african-american more thain use black. >> blu isn't what i heard. let's play it one more time. >> ...

>> so santorum fully acknowledged it was something he could have said. but after his success in the iowa caucuses he rethought his position. last night he gave a new response. >> i'm pretty confident i didn't say black. what i think -- i started to say a word and sort of blu -- sort of mumbled it and changed my thought. i don't recall saying black. what i started to say is a word and sort of change and it sort of blu -- came out. people said i said black. i didn't. i don't use the term black very much. i use the term african-american more than use black. >> blu isn't what i heard. let's play i...

>> so santorum fully acknowledged it was something he could have said. but after his success in the iowa caucuses he rethought his position. last night he gave a new response. >> i'm pretty confident i didn't say black. what i think -- i started to say a word and sort of blu -- sort of mumbled it and changed my thought. i don't recall saying black. what i started to say is a word and sort of change and it sort of blu -- came out. people said i said black. i didn't. i don't use the term black very much. i use the term african-american more thain use black. >> blu isn't what i heard. let's play ...

Mean it, i regret it, and moved on. i think what he's done is he's compounded the criticism by sort of, you know, creating some confusion about whether he said it or not. you heard it, i heard it. i was shocked, surprised, he should be ashamed i was shocked. surprised. he should be ashamed. and it is just something we've got to speak out against because the facts are simply other wise in terms of who makes up those americans who need social safety net programs. the fact is, that all-americans benefit. the fact is, we are one nation. >> you say you believe it was deliberate. i want to read from...