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Up the front windshield. and my mom said we have to get out. the truck is going to explode. we need to get out of the truck now. so we didn't even grab any of the stuff we had packed. everyone just immediately first got out of the truck. i run towards the back of the truck back in towards the fire. because i didn't want to run past the burning tire and then the canyon is on the other side so i run to the back the wrong way. >> i said linda, you got to go to the front. i put my hand up like this to get her attention. >> we were yelling as loud as we could because the winds were howling and blow...

And so we didn't even grab any of the stuff we had packed. everyone just immediately first got out of the truck. i run toward the back of the truck, kind of back towards the fire, because i didn't want to run back towards the burning tire and the canyon is on the other side. >> and i said linda, you have to go around to is front. and i held my hands up like this to get her attention. >> we were yelling as loud as we could because the wind was just howling and blowing so hard. >> and what happened at that moment, the radiant heat burned my arms and i don't remember feeling anything. lonnie went...

Luke will never get to see his prayers answered. >> definitely they have to always hold on to the truth. >> luke will never get to see love in his wife's eyes. >> i don't ever want them to stop remembering that. >> luke will never get to have another christmas. >> we all walk with our past. you have to walk with that. >> luke will never get to hope again. luke will never get to know how sorry i am. i miss him a lot. he was a good friend. he was a better friend than i was. i went a long, long time without feeling anything. then when i started feeling again and i just worry that i won't feel.

Period of time in which you are essentially face-to-face with your victim and for many offenders, this is a very powerful time. it's a time when essentially they're controlling the life of the victim. they're playing god. do you recall feeling anything? did you like the control? did you like the power that you had over her? >> i wasn't aware of it at the time. >> okay. are you aware of it now? >> i think because it was mentioned and you're not the first one to mention it. >> when you ask a psychopath, how did you feel about it? they sort of rock back because they don't really know how they fel...

A very powerful time. it's a time when essentially they're controlling the life of the victim. they're playing god. >> do you recall feeling anything? did you like the control? did you like the power that you had over her? i wasn't aware of it at the time. >> okay. are you aware of it now? >> i think of it because it's been mentioned. you're not the first one to mention it. >> when you ask a psychopath, well, how did you feel about that they -- they sort of rock back because they don't really know how they felt about it because they didn't feel anything. >> rifkin dismembers julie blackbird an...