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Whatever collusion may mean. it didn't seem to amount to a crime thus far. but there is a value to an independent investigation. i also felt mueller was a bad choice. he had a close relationship with comey. he also interviewed for comey's job. i'm still astonished that he was even on the list of a special counsel. having said all that, he will finish this job. it would be a huge mistake to terminate robert mueller. it would make the situation much worse. and i'm going to trust him to do a fair job. i've been a critic of his but he knows that history will be his judge and so will the rest of us...

He has been accused of conflict of interest, of not getting warrants, of using an improper source for a warrant. they have them where they want him. he will probably want to lean over backwards now to make any close calls in favor of trump. >> sandra: is that something you agree with? they've got him where they want him? >> well, i agree with alan on many of those controversies. i think there have been a lot of misplays by mueller. i think this guy is fairly insulated. this is going to be probably his final major public role. certainly his most important one in history. i think that was going ...

Justice. and former virginia attorney general. did it seem rosenstein was comfortable with it investigation despite saying there's no good cause to remove him? >> yes, it seemed to me one of the more important conversations he had had was they asked is he in communication with mueller and he said yes, they were coordinating and discussing the matter. wouldn't answer whether the mandate was expanded. but he felt mueller was acting in the scope of the over view that he had given to them and he was comfortable with it and felt he was operating with a team devoid of the type of bias the republican...

Tomorrow. shannon: more on our top story, rudy giuliani claiming special counsel robert mueller the president is immune from indictment. let's turn to deputy assistant attorney general tom dupree for our best legal eagle analysis. this sounds like he is following the path most people would expect. what does it mean and what doesn't it mean? >> what it does mean is indictment is off the table. a lot of people anticipated this. there is a finding opinion from the office of legal counsel, the justice department binds justice department employees including about mueller that says you cannot invite...