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al sand -- alexandria hoff with the latestest on all of this. >> reporter: so the president tried to the use the 2003 heroes act as a route to usher in this loan forgiveness plan. of course, the supreme court shot that down yesterday. now biden administration is looking at something called the higher education act as a means to the become a plan b. >> we're not going to waste any time on this. we're getting moving on it -- it's going to take longer, but we're getting at it right away. >> reporter: president sd the higher education act will allow the secretary the of education to waiv...

Are they going after competency here? >> that's exactly what heir going after. you remember the o.j. simpson trial, johnnie cochran put the police on trial, and i think kohberger's defense is trying to argue that the police were incompetent, that they were newbies because the dna evidence is coming in. and i think the dna evidence could be devastating for mr. kohberger. if he ends up getting the death penalty or spending the rest of his life in prison, it's going to be because of that dna evidence. alicia: you mentioned the dna evidence, it's so strong. the dna found on that knife sheath, that...