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You have subsidies, fines that go through if you don't have insurance. so completely enmeshed in the federal government. to say that we'll step back, i don't see how that can be possible actually. >> that's right. and the one thing you wonder is republicans have been trying to repeal obamacare for seven years. so if they fail, if they can admit defeat that, and i'm not sure that will happen, but if they do, does that mean the fever breaks and they start to work with democrats and conversely do democrats start to work with republicans. that is a real open question. i don't see how that happens ...

Trump is donald trump. >> exactly. particularly this tweet. over the years we have gone through the mccarthy period and the watergate period and for a long time it just seems that a president or a high-ranking politician can get away with anything. and people go through periods and say there's no end to this. but there is a point where sort of the fever breaks. we haven't reached that point with president trump. perhaps what we learned from history won't hold and he'll go through and get away with this all the way through but that's not the pattern of history. >> you mentioned the people who w...

Expected of a president of the united states. in the end i think it hurts donald trump more than anybody else. and when people say, well, the press is all over him or the congress doesn't do what he wants, the biggest enemy of donald trump and hurts him the most are these tweets. >> the biggest enemy of donald trump is donald trump. >> exactly. %-p for this. over the years we have gone through the mccarthy period and the watergate period and for a long time it just seems that a president or a high-ranking politician can get away with anything. and people go through periods and say there's no e...

Mcconnell said today, once the fever breaks for the democrats, he think they're going to want to come to the table. do you see that? >> not yet. mitch mcconnell also said that he thinks this is going to be a republicans-only deal, that democrats are basically following the republican rep of obstruction. he is not counting on democrats coming to play ball. to me, even when you look at what is going on, i am reminded that yesterday the president said his administration is a well-oiled machine, right? like a precision ferrari roaring down the road. to me, it strikes me as, wow, that is an alterna...

Story i think people are telling themselves in political circles which is biasically the shutdown kind of broke the fever of the tea party in washington. and they've been domesticated a bit. that they're no longer as powerful and this clean debt ceiling raise means basically their power has ebbed and that's where things stand now. do you buy that story? >> i've gone back and forth on it, myself. i'm not sure. it would have seemed to have peaked at the time howev. however, we've seen boehner go back on immigration reform after he endorse ed it for about a we. i think the jury is out on that one...