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Iraqis. that is a chief vulnerability of isis. >> so why did he defect? >> he found them to be both incompetent and brutal and men dashs. this is a totalitarian project. if you read isis media, they are in charge in tikrit and running kobani. he joked that any comment, stray or errant can get your head cut off. the gods and angels fought with us in aleppo. why not in kobani? . he just had enough. and he said this reminds me of the regime of assad. it's no different. >> much of what the president has been saying is that you have to fight what stems -- what draws people to this. in a way that is...

Isis is the cooler brand. we are not your granddaddy's jihadi. we are younger and vibrant. >> you look at the videos and so on. right. go on. >> it's one of the issues of dabiq, they interviewed an al qaeda agent who came back from the heartland where al qaeda has central command and he said it is not like the caliphate here. over there the pack stannys run schools and they are not in control. they are partnering with the apostate regime. >> and the most recent issue, you see the leader of al qaeda, and he looks elderly. he looks like he is sitting in an old folks home and the image of isis, f...

Messengers. and yet earlier in your report you talked about talking to a captured isis figure, who claimed to have killed 70 people. well, by definition he was captured. one thing that we need to succeed is not only to impose defeats on them, which by definition means their disvibe mission isn't working, but if they really are divine messengers they wouldn't surrender at all. i we can show pictures of them surrenderrings with their hands up it exposed them for who they are. this is a failed ideaol and in fact they aren't representatives of god, they don't have any kind of divine strength or mi...