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They don't know exactly, because so much of this is up for grabs. we have to see how the president and his lawyers respond. so these next 24-48 hours become very, very significant in that regard. >> okay. >> but with that said, with that said, they are speaking a great deal about the importance of communicating to the american people the idea of impeachment, literally bringing academics and scholars and experts in to discuss it, and frankly, those will not be dull hearings. they will have, i think, an energy, and i guess on some people's part, an thuenthusiasm >> you talk about how things have...

And you know, each candidate i'm sure is going to do that as well. it is a little bit late, but then again, things always change in the last few weeks in iowa, so let's see what happens. >> yeah, well, we certainly will do that. the big story coming out of washington, the first judiciary committee impeachment hearing is coming up this week. what are you hearing from voters on the issue of impeachment? how much does it dominate the conversatio conversations? >> it's part of it. you know, i think the first thing that people want to know when you get out there is they want to know, what are you g...

Things that moderate republicans generally think are going well be enough to sustain that same choice this time out? you know, the effect of impeachment may have a longer-term effect there that lasts beyond what's likely to be a few weeks of the house and then the senate trial. >> okay. sage comments from you both, as always, anne and john. thank you so much, guys. next, he's in 12th place in the real clear politics average of national polls. so, how does julian castro plan on moving up? i'm going to ask him. and later, how did it happen? how did rudy giuliani go from america's mayor to th...

State. polls show his one-time lead has vanished. the bus arrived in council bluff just a little bit ago, where we find nbc's mike memoli, who is joining us right now. mike, with a welcome to you. so, today is the first appearance by mr. biden in about a week or so. what do we expect over the next -- is it an eight-day tour? it's a long one. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, alex. we're in council bluffs, as you mentioned, just across the michigan river from nebraska to the west. in eight days, we'll be in cedar rapids across the mississippi river. and he will spend those days on the no malarke...

From the mueller investigation, but the bare facts of that i think is where his real exposure is. >> true, absolutely. but anne, cynics will say the hearings pointed these things out time and time again. and as we said earlier in this interview, it's not moved the needle at this point. so, if impeachment is a political entity, how worried really is the white house about this? >> i'll tell you one thing they are concerned about, alex, which is that the cumulative effect of what the president is alleged to have done and the evidence showing that quite a lot of it is just incontrovertible, that i...