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People inside the trump white house. why is this important? because the department of justice at the time, bill barr in early december is saying, there is no fraud. but president trump and others are trying to say there was fraud. they needed a figure leaf from the department of justice, somebody inside to give them cover, to try to overturn the election. so that's why this committee is looking at scott perry, the pennsylvania congressman. what was he really up to, to try to pressure the department of justice to give a weapon to trump to overturn the election. >> yeah. bob, i'm curious, what a...

Opinion -- [ inaudible ]. is this a figure leaf, that they don't even feel it necessary to present a compelling argument? >> i think there are a lot of conservatives who agree with that statement. i think we all know and most people know that women and men have not reach equality, women of color have not reached equality. we saw this exact same thing when they gutted the civil rights act. we saw this idea that we've come so far so it doesn't matter, we can move forward. and i think it's an excuse more so than it is anything else and it's not really based in the facts of the case. and one of ...

West could things have been different? >> this is the heartbreaking part. it could have been so different. the international intervention was very flawed many many ways but the big flaw is we didn't negotiate with the taliban. in 2001 they wanted to surrender. donald rumsfeld said no. they could have joined the karzai government. in 2011 you see peace negotiations starting or talks about talks starting under obama. the u.s. isn't ready to negotiate. at that appointment, the taliban is making pretty modest demands, and talks fall apart. they're trying to get out and talk, again, because the u.s...

House. he's up for re-election. he's facing a primary, but that doesn't justify abandoning a decades old friendship and commitment to the truth. these are groundless allegations. every journalistic outlet that's looked into it has said there's nothing there, and for lindsey graham to do trump's dirty work and to create this figure leaf, this red herring of an investigation into joe biden and his son i think is going to tear apart the judiciary committee even further and will serve as a circ kusz or a side show that is a bad attempt to retract from the impeachment inquiry going forward in the h...

What does the united states get? really hard to say. absolutely nothing, other than the cementing of our status as an unreliable actor who doesn't keep their word, betrays their allies just like when we pulled out of the iran deal and the paris climate accords. and the figure leaf the president continues to hide behind nonsense kelley, he's bringing the troops home from combat to a's war weary nation is a lie. u.s. service members have been relocated to iraq while he's sending thousands more to saudi arabia. this is not about ending wars. it's about donald trump subverting american interests, ...