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Have against the individuals? what is the impact of making a referral? i'm going to create some suggestion by referring some, that others there wasn't sufficient evidence when we don't know, for example, what evidence was in the position of the justice department. so, if we do make referrals, we want to be very careful on how we do them. but i think we're all certainly in agreement that there wasn't evidence of criminality here. and we want to make sure that the justice department is aware of that. >> look, ships suggested that they are all in agreement, generally, on what to do with this proc...
About it. and you're like who's right on this? these people are fighting on it then. and you start to weigh in on the final reporting. ultimately what's ends up happening is a lot of that is how you figure out these trust relationships. >> yes. >> who's trustworthy and who's not. and there's no escaping those trust relationships in how we form any of our beliefs around the world. and there's tens of millions of people who just trust untrustworthy people. >> yeah. and this is something that troubles me greatly as a journalist because i don't know how to reach those people. i've always thought o...