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With the things we heard from joe biden today? >> well, the most important thing in telling a story is that you have a story to tell and clearly biden does have a story to tell. once you get past covid and passed inflation. the problem is that we still have covid and we still have inflation. covid is getting better, we will see what happens with inflation. listen, the opposite of inflation is slow growth or no growth at all. and that was the medicine that we chose and i think that if offered that alternative, that is where most people would choose, even though it is tough right now, and the re...

Through and people start thinking about 2024, i think the midterms are probably a lost cause and beyond that, i think there's opportunity for democrats if they could just quit litigating the past and start legislating the future with policies and ideas about the economy and climate and all of these other issues that republicans are jumping on that are typically democratic issues. >> finally eugene, a lot of us were very sad to hear this afternoon, that same political writer and longtime and msnbc guest p.j. o'rourke had passed away, i wanted to get your take on his legacy. , such a smart guy. ...