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Ceiling. and actually deals with, with cutting the spending. getting spending under control. martha: senator chris van hollen, who we wanted to speak to today, who we hope will be here tomorrow, congressman van hollen, i should say, they're saying they will talk after you guys agree to pass a clean cr and a clean debt ceiling. then they want an extension over that period of time as part of the agreement. then they say they will sit down and talk about negotiations. what do you think? what's your response? >> give them what they want and then they will have the discussion? martha, the american ...