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Five months before our presidential election. vice provost at the university of pennsylvania, senior fellow for the american progress as well. zeek, thank you very much for joining us. you know, we have a couple simple questions here. one of them is, if the supreme court wipes mandate that makes young people, healthy people, pay some sort of health insurance premium, will that kill the financing structure of the obama bill? >> well, it does what -- it puts it into a debt spiral. plenty of places have tried to have exchanges where people go and buy insurance without a mandate. voluntary. what y...

He worked on the health care reform for the obama administration from january of '09 to january this year. zeke, thank you very much for joining we have a couple simple questions here. one of them is, if the supreme court wipes out the individual mandate that makes young people, healthy people, pay some sort of health insurance premium, will that kill the financing structure of the obama bill? >> well, it does what -- it puts it into a debt spiral. plenty of places have tried to have exchanges where people go and buy insurance without a mandate. voluntary. what you end up happening is healthy ...

Come down in june of next year, five months before our presidential election. dr. ezekiel emanuel is with the university of pennsylvania, center of american progress as well. he worked on the health care reform for the obama administration from january of '09 to january this year. thanks very much for joining us. you know, we've got a couple of simple questions here. one of them is, if the supreme court wipes out the individual mandate that makes young people, healthy people, pay some kind of health insurance premium, will that kill the financing structure of the obama bill? >> well, it does w...

Financing structure of america in place which means businesses can get loans and people can start companies. without that you would have much less job creation than with any government, other government program that could have cost the same money. >> brenda: but it's not tarp, it's not just tarp, toby, it's like we are mad. we're not getting what we want. >> yeah, i think my-- >> and i would wear a nirvana t-shirt or something and have a sign that says i'm mad about, blank line. i went down there yesterday and literally there have to be, i saw, every person that handed me a sticker, a button w...

Sustainable. unfortunately, under the current financing model it's unsustainable. we took a look at financing structure which is driving our national debt higher in straining state budgets. governors like mitch daniels of indiana, governors of both parties from around the country are asking for more flexibility with respect to the medicaid program. we give it to them. our approach is to end one size fits all approach to medicaid financing. instead we convert all federal spending into block grants and allotments to each of the respective states. we give governors in conjunction with state legis...