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Release a transcript? we would know whether or not the president said this once or eight times? how would the white house go about releasing this transcript? >> it's veriy easy to. you take out -- redact that sensitive stuff in there and release it. maybe you release only president trump's side of it. you don't release the foreign leader's words on the theory you can't release what a foreign leader says to a u.s. president. they can release donald trump's words. and if they take out one or two things classified secrets, numbers, names of people, that would be fine. so they can release it. ther...

Thing. but they will not say anything. they will not characterize it. why not? and how long can that be left hanging in the breeze? you're going to have to come up with some answer. it's find outable. have you asked him? here's the second big implication of this nbc story, and i will leave you with this. mike pence is in trouble. now, it is possible that the vice president did nothing wrong, nothing criminal. but he really has been left out in the cold by the white house when it comes to the michael flynn story and michael flynn's guilty plea. the white house is still telling a story about how...