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U.s. forces and russian-backed forces. the idea that anybody would say that this is not a gift to russia, what he has done in syria, there's no way around it. >> there is no way around it, anderson, and i pr'm afraid we won't understand what's happened here for years because some of these documents will be locked up and away from public view. i do want to go back to what jeffrey said about the consistent, complete picture is now emerging. i think there's something new about the picture we're now seeing. in the beginning, it sounded as if the call on july 25th might have been an insignificant c...

Meeting in the white house, as well as the holding of funds. but right there in the plain log of the telephone call, we know that he was pursuing both information about the 2016 election and information about his political rivals in the 2020 election. >> you don't buy it that it wasn't about biden? he said biden was just a hypothetical. >> i certainly think there's specific evidence that he was looking at finding dirt on a political rival. but regardless, he was putting himself, his political -- his politics -- above the country. it is congress's responsibility to put the country first, and th...

>> what does that mean? >> that a conversation from head of state to another head of state, which is what that transcript shows, nvr could reach a high crime or misdemeanor? >> gross abuse of office that you use the state department, the white house and the department of justice to try to secure relief unyour election by finding dirt on an opponent that ukrain had to deliver or risk getting valuable aid. >> that's an interesting comment. the transcript doesn't show that. why don't you read the transcript? >> i have many times. top to bottom on my radio show. >> congressman schiff was supposed ...

Tapped into them in terms of finding dirt on paul manafort. they want the people who were supportive of that study the equation out. so are they both in essence really trying to do the same thing in their own best interest on both sides? >> i have set for a long time, ukraine is one of the biggest political footballs in diplomatic stage. people have always been playing with it for years, it's close to russia, important to us strategically, particularly when an election comes down, the ukrainians are always is somehow involved in our election. not in a tampering way but people are thinking abou...

The president says, i am quoting him now before leaving the white house, he says it is none of your business what he and putin are talking about. >> i think when it comes to vladimir putin, the president started in a place that was treasonous, now it is full blown treason. we heard that interview in the oval office when he literally invited hostile foreign nations, including russia, for finding dirt on his political opponents. i think the inference was find the dirt, make a deal. i'll take care of you if you take care of me. it gets worse and worse. we remember when he stood next to putin, wha...