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We have this here on the beat. randy cred aco says, quote, tonight, i'm a first amendment purest, and even though i have been and will be the victim of roger stone's attacks, i have reservations about the gag order. john carlin, what do you think of that? >> look, i think this judge has shown she's quite serious about not turning her court into a circus. and not allowing jurors to be influenced unfairly, and not allowing witnesses to be tampered with. if you recall, she issued a similar gag order in the manafort case when they pushed the limits, she was not shy about telling him and his legal ...

The first amendment. and i think her order is well within the first amendment bounds, and particularly in the case where one of the things he's charged with is witness tampering. so there's good reason to believe that the statements are designed to impede or obstruct justice. >> you put that in a pretty straightforward way. i as a first amendment person myself have reported on the pres dn dnss and anything that's overbroad, we should be concerned about. you're pointing out if it's limited to basically upholding the propriety of the court process, prejudice being a real issue there, and the guy...

Investigation right now. mueller's one aspect of it, but there's also the southern district of new york. it's the trump organization, the trump foundation, the trump campaign, the trump associates, who are going into the grand jury. this kind of progress says to me he's done with manafort. he wants him sentenced. in prison. he is talking to people who are closest to the president, his communications person, who is sitting in on many of these meetings, and i know from my experience that the people who talk to the press for me have to know what's really going on. so the chances are that sarah hu...

>> i know, and i hate to be facetio facetious, i'll be serious. john hit the nail on the head. i had a witness in the manafort trial, and let me tell you this. we went through five prep sessions. they have every e-mail. they have every text. they have talked to multiple witnesses, and for sarah huckabee sanders to be interviewed by mueller is a bad day at the white house. period. and there are a couple reasons why. one, executive privilege goes out the window because she's out there being a spokesperson for the president, and he's giving her information that is intended for the public, no priv...

Prosecutors. this is coming out now. it occurred in the fall, a period when prosecutors spoke to other white house heavyweights including john kelly. reports are mueller's team may be interested in what sanders knew about the trump tower cover-up story and if what she told the public may differ from what she says when she is effectively under oath. i am joined by someone who is really perfect to discuss all of this with, john carlin was chief of staff to bob mueller. i'm also joined by former federal prosecutor gene rosy and melissa murray, a law professor at nyu. thanks to each of you. on the...