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He truly did wrong and did something that was a fireable offense, should he not be punished for that just because he was close to retirement? >> well, that depend. there are reports that the justice department accelerated the process. and didn't give him much chance to respond so they could get it within the timeframe and rob him of his pension in effect. let's be very clear. there may have been wrongdoing. but they intentionally tried to cut this guy's -- to cut his head off. potentially went after him in a way, same way they went after tillerson, their own man for goodness sakes. and treated...

Whether mccabe misled investigators or he lacked candor when he was speaking to investigators. and whether that constitutes a fireable offense. of course if he did commit any of those things and he was in, you know, obviously within the range of being fired, then probably you can make the justification that he should be fired. but with respect to the memos, you know, it's possible whether, you know, it be about him voting for whoever in the 2016 election whether it be for trump or hillary clinton, that conversation that he had that was reported on in january, obviously that's of concern with r...

Their false memo. so this is i think just of an effort to take a key player off the field. >> listen, i have to ask you this because cnn is learning that about 19 nearly 20 members of the fbi have been dismissed for lack of candor in the last year. that is a fireable offense. >> yeah, don, you know, when you're interviewed by internal affairs or the office of professional responsibility as they have at the fbi people should be straightforward, honest. but right now there is no denying that it's a different environment in this trump era, that he certainly is going after his enemies. and he -- t...

They got rid of andrew mccabe based on this lack of candor standard, fireable offense in the fbi. they wormed around till they could find a way to get rid of him. they would have to fire mueller for cause. >> let's step back a minute. if we hadn't had mccabe fired last night at 10:00, if we hadn't had this statement by dowd this morning that was probably orchestrated by trump, the whole purpose of this is to take stormy daniels off the front page of the paper. but for this, the lawsuit that was filed on behalf of donald trump personally, adding a $20 million damage claim would be the major sto...

Department. it could drag into saturday because the drop-deadline is 12:01 sunday morning. mccabe was leaving this morning. he said he would come to washington thursday to plead his case to preserve his government pension. we're told most likely it will be reduced because the legal bar is so hide to take it away altogether. the all grew out of the independent review of the clinton e-mail case by justice department inspector michael e. horowitz. mccabe was not forthcoming with investigators and may have deliberately misled them or lied through leaks. lying is a fireable offense for junior agent...