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Debate. we will see whether -- i mean, i'm sure their lawyers will keep citing "new york times" against sullivan until it's overturned, but just depends -- >> and here is another story for you, npr facing a firestorm over what critics are calling a case about bad journalism. this hinges on one sentence in an article by nina totenberg. she reported chief justice john roberts in some form asked the other justices to mask up at work. asked them to mask up. justice sotomayor has legitimate health concerns, this is understandable, everyone did mask up except justice neil gorsuch that sits next to h...

>> president barack obama was born in the united states, period. >> that, of course, you'll remember, was with laike a 20, 30-minute lead-in of something else. but what gives? what gives here? >> i was going to note, as you did, kate, that was at the opening of the new trump hotel in washington, where he was facing this firestorm over, well, if you're going to be president, can you say definitively you do or do not think the guy that you're trying to replace was born in the united states. he tacked that on at the very end of his speech and basically said, well, i've addressed this. what's goin...