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Racist statements around that using language about invasion about a coming hoard, about the dangers of migrants, that and explicitly tieing it to policy that for all purposes really is about excluding people from this country and about creating a system that since it can't be done through congress and hasn't been done through congress, really kills legal and undocumented immigration. legal immigration through a thousand backdoor cuts. that part is important and that part is different. >> appreciate both your erud it/io n. i'm turning to katty kay. i don't think it's a secret to the regular vie...

Sort of clear the slate. and he said he just wanted me to be out there to be a bigger voice than ever defending the principles that i believe in. >> rick, is that what these pardons are also meant to serve as? to use these people as another vehicle for his political agenda? >> no. dinesh d 'souza has been a powerful and eloquent voice for the conservative movement. he's a first-generation immigrant. he's spoken to the beliefs that many of us conservatives have. but this pardon, it doesn't really settle much, because he's essentially paid his fine. but it's a perversion of justice. and dines sh...

It's going to be much safer. at this point we jeopardize our public safety. >> martha: let's take a look at what jerry brown tweeted after the meeting in the videotape that was played from the white house today. he said donald trump is lying on immigration, lying about crime and lying about the laws of california. flying in a dozen republican politicians to flatter him and praise his reckless policies changes nothing. we the citizens of the fifth largest economy in the world are not impressed. your reaction michelle? >> this has nothing to do with immigration and this title is totally misleadi...