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Russia was doing was to discredit the process, the whole process. and so if we came out and looked like we were bigfooting the election a couple weeks before the election, implying that this is all about the russians trying to help defeat hillary clinton, then it would have just thrown it into chaos. but if we knew what we knew in january, it would have been a different story. >> you would have done it differently if you'd known more? >> well, i think we would have because there would have been much harder data, and i think it would have been impossible -- and i'm a friend of mitch mcconnell's...

One of the purposes of what russia was doing was to discredit the process, the whole process. so if we came out and looked like we were bigfooting the election a couple weeks before the election implying this is all about the russians trying to help defeat hillary clinton, then it would have just thrown into chaos. but if we knew what we knew in january it would have been a different story. there would have been much harder data. i'm a friend of mitch mcconnell. it would have been impartial for him to expose what's happening. >> are we headed down a very bad road, or do you think this ends wel...

>> are we heading down a bad road, or do you think this all ends well? >> look, when the president first got elected, i got heavily criticized for saying i hope he succeeds because america succeeds in the president succeeds. and i found myself at first bemused thinking that maybe these were just over the top gaffes that were going on. but now i've gone from that to i'm genuinely concerned. there's two things that have popped up. one is that this naked nationalism, that it's now us against them. as richard hough says there's three ways countries lose their ability to influence the world and los...