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Right there at ground zero, and you have to consider the people. >> what about the people who are of the muslim faith who lost their lives, joe? what about them? >> say it again? >> what about the people of muslim faith who lost their lives that day? don't they matter, too >> yes, but a lot of people who lost their lives that day were not muslim. >> i bet money that this is not the last we have heard about this. karen and joel, thank you both very much. from reports and analysis from the political unit, go to first read.msnbc.com. there is a contest just for laughs. jell-o is searching for...

The rest of the northbound news political unit, head to first read.msnbc.com. developing now. at least 91 people killed in two separate attacks in norway. apparently carried out by one man. police say the gunman opened fire on teens at a youth camp outside oslo, killing 84 people there. that was after a bomb floweded in downtown oslo, killing seven people in that incident. authorities have one man in custody, and they say he is suspected of carrying out both attacks. norway's news agency also says police are investigating if a second suspect may have taken part in the shooting spree. we'll h...