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Operating witnesses michael cohen told abc's george stephanopoulos today that nothing happened in the trump organization without the ceo -- that is donald trump himself, knowing about it. so the fish rots from the head. let's watch. >> he's saying very clearly that he never directed you to do anything wrong. is that true? >> i don't think there is anybody that believes that. first of all, nothing at the trump organization was ever done unless it involved mr. trump. [ technical difficulties ] >> and david k. johnson, founder of d.c. report.org and author of "the making of donald trump." i want ...

Addition to wikileaks, in addition to all of the connections with russia is the evidence presented by 17 national intelligence agencies that russia was interfering in our election. that is a reality and a fact independent of any of the legal arguments of having to prove something in court. there is a horrible unseemly connection between trump, people in his on by the and russia and particularly vladimir putin himself. it goes right to the top. the fish -- the fish rots at the head. that is what we're seeing right now and everybody is paddling furiously to try to get themselves away from the le...

Dread. you worked in a white house. you're the only one here who has worked in a white house. and certainly there were times when people's jobs were on the line. and i remember rahm emanuel's job was on the line for a long time. how did bill clinton deal with that sort of thing? >> well, through his chief of staff. the hardest person to fire is the chief of staff. you go to the chief of staff. you run the staff, and you say, okay erskine bowles, john podesta, you need to fire that woman, that guy. there's an order. there's a process. and this president seems completely immune to that. he's got...

Where he says fake news. don't believe what you see. only believe what i say. that is very troubling. one of my old bosses famously said the fish rots from the head. and he's providing cover for all of these people to say outrageous things. and people who have no standing. i watched mr. blackwell on your air theorizing about this. he doesn't know anything. he knows nothing about what's going on in florida. yet he's out there, on a national stage, saying there's voter fraud. there is none. there's no evidence. we have to stop letting these people -- >> what's interesting -- >> but -- >> he does...

And attacking groups of people, attacking individuals, penal who are different, attacking people calling them the worst names, horse face and all these other things, people who aren't aren't political enemies of his. the fish rots from the head. i say this all the time. donald trump is the leader of the free world and the president of the united states. it is incumbent upon him to exercise the responsible to show some leadership. >> let me ask you this, congressman dent. there is -- you cannot compare the how much, right, one does it or the other one does it. president trump does it almost eve...