where he says fake news. don't believe what you see. only believe what i say. that is very troubling. one of my old bosses famously said the fish rots from the head. and he's providing cover for all of these people to say outrageous things. and people who have no standing. i watched mr. blackwell on your air theorizing about this. he doesn't know anything. he knows nothing about what's going on in florida. yet he's out there, on a national stage, saying there's voter fraud. there is none. there's no evidence. we have to stop letting these people -- >> what's interesting -- >> but -- >> he doesn't provide evidence. he said well there are irregularities we've seen in past election. >> and he doesn't know. >> it hasn't happened in this election. >> go ahead, ana. >> look, i think to joe's point, one of the great differences is that, yes, trump has tried to stir the pot, vis-a-vis arizona. but in arizona, the republican governor and the republican