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Non-sof fi non-so fist cats. >> roger stone is saying people don't know the difference. the culture and people not in day-to-day politics to try to grab ahold of that power to say american, dre democracy is on t line. >> i don't know if it's fair to say it matters. but name id matters. when you show up, it matters how notorious you are and celebrities always have an advantage and given that reality, how do you manage that for good. >> you are making a point when you say name id matters when alecia keys says, you don't know my name. >> everyone knew trump's name. before he became president he w...

Warning not looking just at trump but culture through the civil rights movement, music and obviously movies and i con graphfy that shapes people. there is a cynical version that roger stone a long time ago talked about, they thought they could use the myth and trickery of donald trump as a character to confuse voters and stone was quite candid about that. take a look. >> here's the fundamental question. is the pop culture in this country more influential now than its institutions? >> 15 seasons of "the apprentice" not only makes him a smooth television supporter, think how he looked in that sh...