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I can see not wanting to be made a spec. but i can't see how testifying behind closed doors as opposed to testifying publicly aches whether or not your words are interpreted in a political context. >> well, what he's right about, historically, but i'm not sure it would work in this case is that when you turn the cameras on in congress, it is impossible not to get a certain amount of stunting. >> right. >> show boating. > we know which side will be doing a lot of that. the republican side which basically has nothing in realize to throw at robert mueller, that's the side where the strangest thin...

When they close the doors, those people don't babe the same way. with mueller, they might be playing for the transcript which is a little bit harder because it won't just be fist pounding. they have to come up with some words to make the transcript come alive. but i can see mueller's point but there's something, i mean, it takes us back to the 19 40ds to not have this on television. >> and it is -- i will say that while i'm happy for chairman nadler to have given us that news tonight and we can break that news and have a better understanding of, i still think there's got to be some other varia...

Fighting him. she's getting no pressure at all from the people who matter to her, her constituents, the democrats in the house, to back down here. she holds the key. unless he is going to bend, this thing is not going to get wrapped up. she is in control of the house of representatives and she's not backing down. and he doesn't seem to understand that. >> she's not backing down at all. republicans, as you know, they were quick to come out and say the democrats' version of what happened was not precise, not accurate. listen to what the president tweeted himself. just left the meeting with. a to...

>> and which would have been the most effective campaigner of the three today? >> exactly. the one in arizona. >> the most effective is the one -- >> in arizona. >> mrs. obama. the one that will not run for office, but she feels this -- >> she hates politics. i don't think people understand how hard they begged her to get involved in '10, they begged her to get involved in '14. she wasn't thrilled with how much she had to do in '12. this has been different. trump's motivated her in a way that she's never been motivated. you have to understand. you know why she's motivated? because she, as soon...

Conservative. if you don't hate, you're not good enough to be in our party. no. they're in the losing party. they're on the loser side of history. they are finished. they are finished with having any impact on this party moving forward. >> so the very thing that was price of entry, the fist pounding, the anger, the vitriol is the opposite now. if there is not a compassionate streak -- and you can't fake it. it's interesting, the contrast of jindal and rubio. jindal did the hard pivot. and he had the conservative populist message, and it felt compassionate. rubio, it was just -- blah, blah, bla...