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Believe otherwise. i don't know his personal situation up close but that affects your soul and your mind, your state, your mental state. and we saw that over the last two and a half years, he didn't play well when things were a mess. but i think he has a responsibility and nike has a responsibility not to suggest to kids who look to him as a hero that as long as you get winning again, then that's going to fix everything else. it's a very clear, very, very clear suggestion here. that's what winning fixes. your personal life as well. >> neil: i was worried just as a father to two little boys and...

The deficit. that's evidence we have. and you can postpone ensuring, providing insurance for the uninsured forever, if you just say well, we got to fix everything else and then get all of these people insured. on rich's point about process, i looked at all of the columns i looked at criticizing the bush tax cut. i argued about the merits of the tax cuts and i think instead of talking about process we ought to talk about the merits of the health plan. >> did write a stirring column about the nuclear option in defense of the senate and -- as an anti-institution. i believe -- one last thing. the ...

I think the cbo says that congressional budget office says over time this bill will reduce the deficit. that's evidence we have. and you can postpone ensuring, providing insurance for the uninsured forever, if you just say well, we got to fix everything else and then get all of these people insured. on rich's point about process, i looked at all of the columns i looked at criticizing the bush tax cut. i argued about the merits of the tax cuts and i think instead of talking about process we ought to talk about the merits of the health plan. >> did write a stirring column about the nuclear optio...

I want to ask a point i brought up. number one goal in health care reform was to bend the cost curve to bring down costs. the likes of warren buffett and others said they aren't. it should have been a cost issue, expand access later. what's truth, what is fiction? >> there are a lot of measures in this bill to hold down costs. some of them are painful which is why it's hard to assemble votes for this. there will never be enough cost controls for everybody, and the more you put in the more votes you lose. i think the cbo says that congressional budget office says over time this bill will reduce...