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Across the board and close loopholes, primarily to higher-income people. we have three bottom line it's don't raise the deficit, don't raise taxes on the middle class and don't lower the share of income borne by the high-income earners. he will say this $5 trillion man, i suppose. it is discredited by six other studies and even their own deputy campaign manager acknowledged it wasn't correct. >> martha: let's talk about there 20%. have you refused -- and again to offer specifics on how you pay for that 20% across-the-board tax cut. do you actually have the specifics? or are you still working o...

The tax cuts expire and we're going to have huge spending cuts as well. >> well, exactly, brenda. aim note worried about the spending cuts, i mean, you know, all the better, jonas talked about the stimulus program, especially saying the government is paying out more than we're taking in, yeah, let's fix na part, too, with a bigger cut, but getting back to that tax, brenda, it's not just, don't forget the bush tax cuts going away, capital gains are going to go up. we have the obamacare health taxes coming in, and you know, the left argues, let's go back to the clinton tax rates, yes, that's fin...