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Court did not rule properly on, that proved that actually, we lost races where we should not have lost them. it's only because of partisanship. the same thing in many other places in the country. so focusing on this is about fairness. it's about making sure that the legislatures and the governors, when they do the reapportionment in a couple of years, realize that they're going to be watched very closely for not creating this unfairness. how can you have a person like tony evers become governor of wisconsin, tammy baldwin wins by a wide margin, we win the state office, yet no change in the sta...

The man has lost his career. he's been penalized the last 11 years, whether in jail or not. at age 79, 80, what's the purpose of wasting all this money to put him in jail? >> sounds like his age was a factor they took into account. does that surprise you? >> you never know what juries are going to fix sate on. you prepare this case and you put it in front of the jury and they grab a little piece of information and they hyper focus on it. so, no, i'm not surprised at all. they in this case there are many thing it is jurors could have hung their hats on and now when they're interviewed, as with ...