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You know, this obviously reflects badly on anybody. but anybody can call themselves a republican but it doesn't make that the values of the party. >> frankly, sir, before i let you go, the government you have has broken with your party and said, okay, we should try and reopen the government. do you see any path forward right now in the congress to reopen this government? >> yeah. the path will start when we all start acting like adults and we talk to each other and we quit using shutdowns as leverage, this is on both sides, by the way. yeah, i do see a path forward. it will probably come out o...

Donald trump -- i said these things before donald trump said some of these things. >> yeah. and we have to remember, you know, one of the things i was struck by sort of in a flashback way was the failure last night of the president to deny the russia thing. little bit like the failure to denounce the neo-nazis in charlottesville. maybe he gets there eventually, but there's this hubris, there's this wall that he can't so to speak -- that's one wall he built, a wall between him and rationality. so, i think the issue we have here as a culture is, as you say, race has been our dilemma from the ver...

Zwroefrping the normal course of business because they had something against him. . >> jeremy bash, your take on that. >> i think the best argument for republicans like lindsey graham and christie is the fbi cannot investigate a commander in chief for being a counterintelligence threat because only the president can set the direction of american foreign policy. however, that line of argumentation will lead them to the exact place that democrats want to go, which is then therefore this is an issue for corning and an impeachment inquiry. in fact, the mueller investigation is only going to take u...

Republican colleagues have not been as optimistic. take a look at what a couple have said in the last couple days. >> i have never been more depressed about moving forward than right now. i just don't see a path way forward. somebody's going to get some energy to fix this. >> i am very frustrated. i'm discouraged. i'm not depressed. i'm determined. i am absolutely determined. and i'm determined because there's a lot of people back home that are really counting on us to figure this out. >> so there you had senator lisa murkowski, of course, of alaska. her state does have a disproportionate shar...

Where historically speaking or foundationally speaking, i guess, i don't want to say quite legally speaking what kind of jeopardy is the president in? >> well, it's existential jeopardy. one of the things we haven't quite worked through at least in the popular conversation is what that actually means. many people use the word treason. i've done it myself. actually if you want to get really into the weeds and that's unfortunately that's where the truth is, that's where reality is, the constitution designs treason very, very specifically. they did it on purpose because they -- all the founding f...