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He has to take a pound of flesh out of that candidate so that people will be rece sent to challenge him. he didn't do that with kamala harris. he let her get out everything she needed to get out and it hurt him. he seemingly because caught flat footed and didn't have a spence to it. he can't allow that to happen again. >> basil, what's your take on the way these confrontations are set up, we'll have the two progressives, warren and sanders on stage the first night and then biden and cory booker and kamala harris. does that work in biden's favor? >> i think it works in biden's favor if he doesn...

Off put but i think as long as he comes prepared, he will do fine. think the first debate he seemed flat footed. he said my time is up at one point, something you've really never seen as a presidential debate. voluntarily saying my time is up. i think that he has to be prepared to address a number of things. the crime bill is one from the '90s. obviously the busing is an issue that came up in the first debate. but i also think that anita hill is another issue that joe biden should be prepared to address, because i do not feel, and anita hill herself has said the apology that she has received i...

"shadow wars" is a great tutorial on just this kind of activity. this warfare, and you have to call it that that's actually ongoing as we speak. the other thing that concerns me is emulating -- em yu lagz by other states who would also have their own motivations for attempting to influence and manipulate our elections. the likes of, for example, iran or china. >> they see the success russia had and they want to get in on it. the department of homeland security cybersecurity chief chris krebs told a conference in new york and i'm quoting from him, we're not going to be caught flatfooted, we're ...

Standing back and trying to rise above it all. that he realizes he has to engage in the day-to-day battles. so that's the impression that he's sending out, that if he is attacked on the stage that he plans on being, quote, not so polite. that he will engage because he has to. that he saw after that first debate that if someone comes directly at him, he's got to be able to respond. >> can i respond? >> go ahead. he was kind of caught flatfooted and he had kind of this engagement with the democrats are not going to attack each other. but now he's essentially sign posting that gloves are off. if ...

They're not american citizens, they're russian trolls. >> what's the biggest threat? >> in terms of our research, the realization that it's difficult to identify who those russian trolls are, i think. we realize that citizens, both journalists and regular every day people, as well as politicians, it's hard for us to identify when someone is a russian troll, it's hard to figure out who the person is on the other side of the screen i think this is something that's going to continue to be an issue in 2019 and going-forward. >> the cyber security chief said, we're not going to be caught flat foote...