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Right now you've got to say she's got maybe a better chance than anybody else of being the first to -- or to climb her way up into that upper echelon where you look at her against biden and bernie. bernie is -- bernie is in trouble and i don't think it's too early to say that bernie sanders is in trouble because you do see the support leaking away from both directions. but warren, this is impressive. >> you know what else is impressive? >> no, joe, let me do this. pa. >> the press. >> i don't like this. that's not nice. >> it's such a subtle light touch. >> they're behind de blasio, aren't the...

Joining me now historical novelist thomas mallon, who has written about the former president. it's good too have you here, sir. i'm just interested in your reflections as you watch thousands of people well, i thi exceptional, and a lot of it has to do with the nature of the n man, the fact that he was patrician by birth but had a fairly common touch, a light touch. sometimes even a goofy touch about things. i think he charmed a lot of people. inevitably, there's a lot of talk about then versus now in terms of the temperament of george w.b. bush, versus the current president and the general man...

Sounds like us or don't pray like we do. that's an old playbook. it's as old as time. jesse: dr. gorka, it wasn't too long ago when barack obama was disparaging the bitter clingers and telling christians to get off their high horses. he's one of the most of divisive presidents in the last 100 years and the polls respect that. he said at the thanksgiving table you need to get in the face of family members who disagree with you. your show has a light touch. but would i like to be serious for a second. what he just said is an affront and a lie. nobody, nobody in the mainstream conservative world,...

Went for pelosi? >> i think it's clear someone who went against donald trump. >> suspect that amazing. >> that's where we are this year. that's why the trump endorsement and the bran has been so powerful. because of the 87% number we talked about. >> listen, i think to be fully transparent. the trump light touch. if he endorses you from far away. >> every operative wants him to tweet but they don't want him necessarily to come to an even. >> let's not forget where robie was in trouble. because she refused to support donald trump after the "access hollywood" tape of him came out. she called him...

>> that wasn't a mistake either, right, senator? >> let's say it was a very loud omission. i think that's unfortunate because we're never going to get to the bottom of this. we're never going to prevent the russians from doing what they did in 2016 until they acknowledge they did it. >> he has spoken on it. he has a light touch. that's the point because that's not what he is known for. here's a little bit of sound. >> it sounds to me like it would be russia based on all the evidence they have. i don't know if they have come to a conclusion. it sounds to me they believe it was russia. and i wou...