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This whole primary thing is reminding me of the classic movie "it is a mad, mad world" where you don't know who will find the money under the giant palm trees. just gave away the money. nobody saw that movie. sherrod, have you been following politics since your early teens. >> that's right. >> doesn't matter who they will run against? they will just call them racist. >> every time i see newt gingrich, i miss my uncle. it is uncaning how much he reminds me of him. >> except white. >> and crotchety. i like newt. he spices things up a little bit. he is a smart dude. he will have his own opinion a...

>> romney is more conservative than newt on the issues. that's not what it is about. it is about the fact that romney appears to be an establishment candidate. that's not true at all. that's the optics. >> and also newt seems like the guy that can take it to obama and romney is too nice. newt is going to go in there and fight him. a lot of people say newt is a flawed candidate. but aren't we all flawed candidates? >> yes, a short answer, yes. what was that question? >> i would say -- i don't really -- i do not understand newt. romney, yes, i guess he is a flip-floper, but the man is squeaky cl...

Tucker, do you buy the 2.0 argument that he is a changed man and learned from his past mistakes? >> yes, i think adult men change profoundly. it is a whole new person. i have seen it a lot. >> i keep telling my wife that. >> does she buy it? >> no, no, no. she looked at me with shear disgust. >> sherrod, you say he is not a flip-floper, but he has been back backpedaling about a lot of things, most notably the ad he did with me. >> it i somebody you don't know who changed their minds. he has been around for so long you know when he will change his mind. you know the scope of it. to me he is not...

Nomination. and ultimately they say that the democrats are attacking them because they fear mitt romney the most. they see him as the most electable in a general election. so the attacks show that they're afraid of him. >> but do you think, james, that that is a bit premature? i mean, clearly they're running campaigns and ads and they'll have forethought, price them, get them out there, and now the numbers suggest that it's newt gingrich in the race as well. >> yeah, i mean, the president would love to run against newt gingrich. they see him as so flawed in so many ways. they think they could ...

Against him. independents also don't like a flip-floper. that makes it vulnerable. it reminds me of reagan-bush when they were running against each other in the primary. everyone said well, now, 41. 41 is the one that is more presidential and the one that should get it. it turned out once reagan started campaigning in new hampshire because he didn't campaign in iowa people said he was the one. he had the big ideas. that is because the country was in dire straits. >> dana: do you have the gingrich piece? one of the things that newt gingrich said during the debate was that he said basically pres...