>> just a remarkable scene. first of all, it's very clear, this process is going to drag on for years. >> years! >> for years. >> i couldn't believe when i heard that. >> the defendants are obviously going to do everything they can to obstruct and slow down the process. you saw that, refusing to answer questions, refusing to acknowledge the judge. in addition, the defense lawyers are filing a flurry of motions, challenging every aspect -- >> they don't think they can get a fair trial because of national security issues, right? >> that is the ultimate fight over this. but remember, this is the ...