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To circumvent the system, get around the presidential records act, and it certainly looks guilty. >> john, let's talk about this, because the "washington post" says some of the trump records taken from mar-a-lago were marked classified. there were manhandled records, ripped-up records, plus the details jamie mentioned out of maggie haberman's new book that documents were flushed down the toilet. trump denies that but what questions do you have about all this? why would he be flushing documents? >> it just doesn't sound right, obviously, don. i think it speaks for itself. he's a man who has jus...

>> they can, erin. it's taking extra work and two things they can do, first, as ryan mentioned they can subpoena the cell phone providers, whether donald trump's own private cell phone or there's been reporting he used aides cell phones. this question of should the committee politically subpoena the president's cell phone. guess what they're entitled to the information. it's supposed to be in the white house call log. legally there is no reason they can't do that. the other thing they can do to fill in the pieces is interview witnesses and if witnesses say i had a call with donald trump at let...

President clinton, this would be like we wouldn't be able to talk about anything else around here. >> bret: senator, we are covering it extensively. we are going to ask a democrat about it after the break. this is what they say why are republicans seemingly not as alarmed about president trump's handling of documents compared to worries about hillary clinton's emails? both former national security adviser sandy berger. former cia director john deutsch slapped with criminal penalties for mishandling national security documents. we know there are 15 boxes down in mar-a-lago. there is allegations...

About the trump white house. this is not just a trump white house book. this is a book about the former president, the arc of his life, beginning in his life of new york city and how that world shaped him and then shaped the world that he created in the white house. so the younger picture is to convey, a, this is a different book but also this is something that is anchored in a different period of time. at least in the beginning. and then it goes through the white house years and to florida in the past year. >> well, if toilet-gate or flush-gate, i haven't decided which one i'm going with yet,...

Investigation because, on a serious note, there's a lot of things to consider. how did those documents leave the white house? what was the -- there are procedures for things like this. were they not followed? were they ordered not to be followed? what protocols will be in place to prevent it from happening in the future? lay it out. yes, the initial donald trump tearing up documents, completely not allowedly ststatute. he's been called out on it. i think he'll get into a little trouble but probably not a whole lot. >> you make an important point about the normal procedure. just to be clear, fo...