to circumvent the system, get around the presidential records act, and it certainly looks guilty. >> john, let's talk about this, because the "washington post" says some of the trump records taken from mar-a-lago were marked classified. there were manhandled records, ripped-up records, plus the details jamie mentioned out of maggie haberman's new book that documents were flushed down the toilet. trump denies that but what questions do you have about all this? why would he be flushing documents? >> it just doesn't sound right, obviously, don. i think it speaks for itself. he's a man who has just ignored all the rules, standards, norms of the process. he doesn't obey the law. he just doesn't give a hoot. he's going to do what he wants to do when he wants to do it. now, those classified documents could cause him some problem.