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And who knows, maybe a deal is in the offing? yeah, that's a it's a very significant concession if he says, okay, we will not join nato, we will not seek to join nato. but obviously the territory is important and an immediate cease fire is perhaps the most important thing to ukraine's president who by the way, trace cold on canadian lawmakers he was speaking to yesterday. the quote please close the skies, the no fly zone again. we think that he might renew that plea when he meets via zoome with us lawmakers hours from now be able to close the airspace. please stop the bombing. how many more cr...

I go past the bakery, which used to have this huge selection of baked goods, to get coffee and something and on the door, it says bread and coffee. that's all there they're selling. they don't have anything else. you go to the supermarket and selection is like, 20% of what we used to have three weeks ago. you walk on the streets and there are hardly any people. i believe the mayor said about 2 million people are living the city right now compared to five that it was before the war. it does feel devastated, empty. it does feel, yeah, it was like, i actually started crying when i saw the sign of...

Objectives, and we need to help the ukrainians bring this to a quick conclusion. otherwise this gets drawn out and the blood continues to flow. >> so when we talk about helping them, let's talk about two of the options we keep hearing over and over again. talking about the no fly zone. nato has taken that off the table. i would like your thoughts on a limited no fly zone. we had secretary of state blinken saying there is a green light for jets. you're suggesting as it relates to those jets, a lend-lease program. can you talk us through how that might work? >> sure. first of all, let's drop the...

Military. which would be the case in establishing a fly-zone. you have to take out russian nar defense and the person manning russian defense on the ground. that said, we are in an interesting space where the united states is doing many things to participate on behalf of ukrainians and to make life more difficult for the russians. and so you obviously have sanctions which really are the most significant set of multi lateral sanctions ever imposed on a country the size of russia. sanctions are going to have enormous impact on their capacity and maintaining their economy. in terms of the provisi...

Is a belief that because in fact the united states and russia and china have successfully deterred each other from ever using nuclear weapons, there has grown a belief that nuclear weapons will never be used. and so you can kind of -- there's a certain confidence that there will never be used to the point that some people are willing to try to send american pilots into the air to shoot directly at russian pilots. >> right. the thing people need to think about is not whether one of the major powers involved here will simply wake up and say today's a good day for war, the problem is that with so...