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Strike near that border, ukrainian officials are saying the missiles were fired by war planes over the black sea and the sea of azov. i wonder what a no fly zone, would it have prevented thad? >> probably not. if the no fly zone, ana, was only over ukraine. but we're looking at, you know, if you're launching something from the black sea or the sea of a azov, that is outside of ukrainian air space. a no fly zone would have to have the right rules of engagement, so any aircraft flying over these areas would also have been covered by that. none of the proposals i've seen so far would have covered...

Consternated and frustrated. >> martha: they have to be wondering what is next for them if they can't pull this off as promised to vladimir putin. he's extremely isolated at this point, which we have talked about. i want the ask you a last question about the no fly zone. we have heard from different people at the white house that that won't happen because that would constitute boots on the grounds, is equivalent to boots in the air, flying planes over that airspace. what do you think? >> yeah, that doesn't make any sense. we've made a decision in this country, three presidents have supported i...

We can call it any zone. this is what we need right now to be able to save ukrainian cities. we see what he's doing. there's like no air for protect that we can have to oppose him. >> martha: what we're hearing from the government here is that the fear is that if that happens, if the no fly zone is put in, it could light to a fight between an american or nato pilot and a russian pilot and that the next step could be world war iii or nuclear weapons being used. >> there's other ways to protect ukrainian skies. we are actively discussing them in diplomatic circles. the issue is that if ukraine f...

What this means is that those forces, which of course are very familiar with, are getting into a state of combat readiness. obviously, the united states and russia always have nuclear deterrence with respect to each other. this idea of a balance of power, mutually guaranteed destruction. if anything were to happen. but, what do you make of this? the united states and nato forces, none of whom have threatened or discussed using nuclear force against russia. generalized broken to have said that the u.s. won't even enforce the no fly zone over ukraine, for fear of getting into a battle with russi...

See it? >> yes, and i think the term no fly zone gets tossed around, and people presume because of the way it sounds is it's a passive gesture. a no fly zone is an act of war. there's air party in ukraine. both sides are duking it out. no fly zone requires air supremacy. nato flier jets would need to be directly engaging in flights and russian fighter jets, and we would need to be attacking surface-to-air missiles from the russian forces in russian held territory in ukraine. we would be going to war with russia. that's what a no fly zone means. that is an unnecessary escalation in the conflict...