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And we were asking one simple question as a general matter. where is the evidence? speaker: what response did you get? pat cipollone: a variety of responses like, what do you mean where's the evidence? you should know-- speaker: there was discussion of, well, we don't have it now, but we will have it or whatever. eric herschmann: derek and i both challenged what she was saying, and she says, well, the judges are corrupt. and i was like, everyone? every single case that you've done in the country you guys lost. every one of them is corrupt? even the ones we appointed? and-- speaker: what's-- er...

Eric, derek, and we were pushing back, and we were asking one simple question as a general matter. where is the evidence? speaker: what response did you get? pat cipollone: a variety of responses like, what do you mean where's the evidence? you should know-- speaker: there was discussion of, well, we don't have it now, but we will have it or whatever. eric herschmann: derek and i both challenged what she was saying, and she says, well, the judges are corrupt. and i was like, everyone? every single case that you've done in the country you guys lost. every one of them is corrupt? even the ones w...