eric, derek, and we were pushing back, and we were asking one simple question as a general matter. where is the evidence? speaker: what response did you get? pat cipollone: a variety of responses like, what do you mean where's the evidence? you should know-- speaker: there was discussion of, well, we don't have it now, but we will have it or whatever. eric herschmann: derek and i both challenged what she was saying, and she says, well, the judges are corrupt. and i was like, everyone? every single case that you've done in the country you guys lost. every one of them is corrupt? even the ones we appointed? and-- speaker: what's-- eric herschmann: i'm being nice. i was much more harsh to her. jake tapper: the meeting very nearly devolved into a physical fight. eric herschmann: flynn screamed at me that i was a quitter and everything. kept on standing up and turning around and screaming at me. and at a certain point, i had it with him so i yelled back.