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In both parties. and i think that's what the trump message was that echoes so strongly in these flyover communities. >> what do you say to that? >> i think the democratic party does need to make house calls. we have to be the party in all 50 states and the territories and for democrats abroad. and i think we need to communicate that message of economic security. >> how concerned are you that this campaign is turning into a proxy fight between sort of the obama clinton wing which people say you represent, and the sanders wing that many people believe keith ellison represents. and that this is -...

>> i didn't say you -- >> personally -- >> a democratic incumbent. fair enough. >> that is a danger to people who would say those thing, but the democrats have not done the kind of self-reflection they should have starting in 2010. i was talking about this in the election. you lost white working people and flyover land. you saw in this election what happens when people get frustrated enough they say, i'm not going to take this -- bernie, a good friend of mine, talk about it all you want, the fact you made money does not make you a member of that philosophy. look at franklin roosevelt, but ther...