presidential with most depositions. it looks like he was trying to avoid the inevitable. now that there is a personal criminal probe on him and they are going hard on his children, barry and jack, he is going to flip. joining us now is that barbara, barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney in michigan and law professor at the michigan law school. paul butler, former federal prosecutor and law professor at georgetown university. both are msnbc legal analysts. barbara, let me begin with you and the focus on allen weisselberg which makes perfect sense, and what this might lead to in this investigation. well, allen weisselberg is someone who has been an insider in the trump organization for many years as the chief financial officer. as such, he is intimately familiar with the financial practices. someone like him could be
outcome. and so we want to really attack this from our local level to state level but we need sleeping legislation. the good news is that we have an opportunity right now. we have four the people act and we have the john lewis voter advancement act. both of those acts right now, given with their past in the senate, will actually provide the kind of federal protection that we need. and so we ve got to put president, we got put pressure on democratic senators, we ve got to put pressure you know the unfortunate thing about this is this is not a partisan issue. you know, we should not allow the republic having access to the ballot is a democracy issue. we have to really move it beyond democracy being propaganda and it being a core value in this country. latasha brown and maria theresa kumar, thank you for joining our discussion tonight. we appreciate it. thank you lawrence. and coming up in tonight s episode of defendant trump, alan weiselberg s daughter in law says the trump chief f
so weisselberg does lie and he has perdram self with the presidential inaugural committee and most deaths depositions. it looks like he was trying to avoid the inevitable but now that there s a personal problem on him, and they are really going hard on i m with barbara. he is going to flip. joining us now is that barbara, barbara mcquade and former u.s. attorney in michigan, and law professor at the university of michigan law school. also with us, paul butler, former federal prosecutor and law professor at georgetown university. both are msnbc real analysts. and barbara let me begin with you and the focus on allen weisselberg which makes perfect sense. and what this might lead to in this investigation. well alan allen weisselberg is someone who has been an insider in the trump organization for many years as the cfo. as such, he is intimately
familiar with their financial practices of somebody like him could be extremely valuable as a cooperator in an investigation for the organization as well as individuals within it. although a case like this involving financial proprietor ease is largely based on documents, which is a documents don t lie. documents don t forget. it s still very useful to have a human being who was there who can explain to a jury what was happening to connect the dots and serve as a narrator. so, i imagine that if there is any criminal exposure for allen weisselberg, the prosecutors will try to leverage that into persuading him to cooperate and be a witness. paul butler, as this as our view of this investigation develops, and we are developing our view through some leaks and people like a little established food for the killing us with they think.
know if he is necessary. we know that michael cohen from his own mouth has been cooperating for many months and has shared a lot of information already. so, it may be a necessary to flip allen weisselberg. though i would think that when you ve got someone like a michael cohen. it s useful to have corroboration not only with documents, but are other witnesses who can back each other up by saying the same thing. so, i would think that he is someone a value. but it is quite possible you could see him there is a defendant stable right along with donald trump. paul butler, what are you looking for as possible developments next given the grand jury see secrecy might just shut out from this process completely? it probably will, so, we are not likely to have a day today or even a week to week about what is going on. i d imagine that prosecutors are presenting literally hundreds of thousands of pages