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Office? >> it's a fog machine. that's what they're doing right now. that's what they're doing on the substantive defense on ukraine and what they're doing here. look, everyone noticed that lapierre was at the white house the other day. had a moting with the president and they were talking b about him raising money for the defense of the president on impeachment and wayne said in that meeting, stop the nonsense about gun control. the president had already turned around on his initial reaction, which is we're going to have really strong background checks. now he says we already have them not to ...

Reinforce their support for donald trump. you know, this is -- this is what the former russian chess champion described also the annihilation of truth. the point isn't really to convince you that one thing is true or false, it's to make you doubt your critical sensibilities what do you believe? what is true? and that's why this fog machine is often so effective. the question is whether or not it's -- it reaches a big enough base to actually save donald trump. >> and here's where i think some of us struggle to understand the lack of logic that dictates the talking points in the echo chamber, an...

Appear partnering up between the country's attorney general and the top investigator. >> right. this is the sort of reverse engineering that we often see from various aspects of the executive branch, whether it's in the west wing or whether in this case it's the entire justice department consumed with trying to prop up something that the president wants to be true. wants to present to the country. and so that's what we have here. and at the same time, you know, i mean, the president, you laid out the -- and jeanne's paper did it really well -- the tension between giuliani and barr. trump wants...

People. >> i don't think it's fair to put schiff and nadler in the same group. i think schiff will be more effective. he's capable. >> we'll know thursday. >> this week the congress is going to decide if they're an equal branch of government or not. >> have to get right to the complaint under statutes that they passed in congress, signed by the president that they have to give this information, the whistle blower came up with the president's phone call. if they don't get it, congress is irrelevant. thank you, cynthia, ned price. the fog machine, for hillary it was benghazi, benghazi, benghaz...

Hate her. we hate hillary. it's like a buzz word, do you hate hillary, but this guy, with biden it's going to be ukraine. they're going to say it. you know trump's teaching the choir now the words to speak, but don't any republicans, doesn't a single republican say, what are you getting at, what are you talking about, mr. president, what is this. don't they ever ask the question wh what? your thoughts. >> i think your phrase about the fog machine was right on target here. but actually we are kind of at a new phase, and we saw this over the weekend. we spent the last couple of years talking abo...