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Talking to anybody. he didn't want him to be able to communicate with his supporters, so essentially put him under house arrest in order to protect his own legitimacy as pope. >> and so celestine dies in captivity. >> in the 13th century, however, a retired pope is not the only threat to a sitting pope's power. in a time when the lines between church and state are fluid, kings are just as threatening to papal power as previous popes. >> there's always a bit of a problem as to who was in charge. was it the king or was it the pope? >> so much of the maneuvering and back and forthing and jousting...

Nationalist means. it's a simple back and forthing that could have been dealt with and instead, it's noud blown up and it's more of a magnifying glass on his nationalism versus white nationalism or if they're combined or if they're different, we don't know because the president never explained. >> yeah. well, there you go. he also tried to get a question. there's a lot more behind it. we don't have all night, let's be moons. you tried to get a question into the president. >> we were there all night last night. >> here's how you're trying to get a quell in went. >> sit down, please. sit down. i...

>> we received a phone call prosecute a person in new york. he told us he was afraid one of the bodies was going to be his brother. his younger brother called him to tell him he was in south texas. he needed money to pay the smugglers. >> i said to him, don't put yourself in danger. i would rather you be caught than anything happen to you. he told me to send $300 because he ran out of money. that's what they wanted to move him to houston. >> a few days later he got a call from a man named memo who claimed he had forthing to do with his death except memo knew that there were four women and seve...