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Senate judiciary committee what was behind his mysterious and abrupt resignation in early january. pak told the panel he resign the after officials at the justice department told him that the former president intended to fire him for not backing the baseless claims of widespread voter fraud in georgia. the ex-president was particularly obsessed with trying to overturn biden's victory in georgia and managed to find someone who would do that. enter jeffrey clark, the former acting head of the justice department's civil division. before that he was the assistant attorney general for the environme...

Number two richard donohue would not sign off. so the letters never saw the light of day until now. now we don't know if p.b. pac or rosen or richard donohue are the good fis. all we know is they chose not to undertake potentially criminal activity for the sake of protecting the failed former president's ego. however the fate of our democracy smutd not solely rely on a few people we hope did do the right thing in moments like this. but it kind of does. currently there are no legislative railroad legal guard rails in place preventing a scheme like clark's from being launched in the future which...

Business interfering in the election, a guy we never heard of -- the part i left out here is that there was an underlying promise there if jeff rossen and richard donohue did not do the president's bidding, jeffreyy clark would have been a name every american knew because he might have become the attorney general of the united states. >> that's exactly right, ali. i think this all ties together. i think that -- i don't know this for certain. but i believe that b.j. pacs with a sacrificial lamb. president trump on a sunday meeting with top people at the justice department and the white house wa...

Jeffrey clark's client was not the president of the united states in his capacity as a candidate. it was the people of the united states. and if he improperly did things on government computers, on government time, to further the interests not of the united states but of donald trump candidate, that that is a potential legal problem for him, potential bar problem for him. at the same time we don't know what he did. and there is some frustrations in learning what he did. i'll give you one example. the justice department inspector general is investigating, as he should be, what happened at the j...

That's really important in society. we don't see any of that. we don't see donald trump facing a lot of that just yet. but we need structural change. do you have any sense of who would be responsible for initiating that process of making sure that another coup attempt can't happen? because every coup attempt was preceded by a failed coup attempt. >> that's a really good point, ali. there are small structural changes i could talk about. but i want to suggest that we have talked about the absence of legal constraints here. i think there are some legal constraints. the president is entitled to fi...