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Conservative circuits though. and what do you see going forward in the next year? >> well, the cases on the fastest track are the 4th and the 10th circuit and both pretty conservati conservative. you have a virginia case filed by ted olsen and ted boyes who filed the prop 8 case and cases in oklahoma and utah, and, you know, we will see. we will see how the circuits decide it, but as you said, not a single judge since the windsor decision striking down doma has read that decision to in any kind of a way to say that these kinds of bans on same-sex marriage are constitutional and even though the...

Chris perry. >> and sandy, we thank you so much for your support. >> we are real proud of you guys and we're so glad that in california and a growing number of states around your leadership so you guys should be very proud of today and your courage, you are helping out a whole lot of people everywhere. >> the man holding the phone in that clip is chad griffin. his efforts are part of a new book called "forcing the spring" by jo becker here with me in studio. also with us are the two women you saw on the phone with the president, chris perry and sandy steer. they were two of the four plaintiffs...