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And i don't think anything that barack obama tells him or doesn't tell him can undo that. >> and rick, this is a situation that the founders could not have contemplated. someone with as vast and complex a set of business holdings that could conflict in so many ways with the interests of government. >> exactly, lawrence, and i think as michael pointed out, there are ethics lawyers on both sides of the political divide right now who are hooking at this and saying, you know, trump may believe that the president has no inherent conflict of interest, but this is the man who is doing business in cou...

Same things. take us behind the scenes on that deal. >> first of all, you're talking so much about trump -- >> jump in! >> i would urge everyone, including you, joe, put on the brakes a little bit. yes, it's a percespectacle, it'e pat buchanan, a bomb thrower emerges. this is different and it is a different time. but the question for us, and i think, ultimately, for voters, is, can he govern? does he have the experience? does he have some way to just strategically think through the domestic and foreign policy problems and come up with some solutions? and, i mean, what comes out of his mouth --...

Policy credentials and rand has more of an isolationist approach. in libya had the president left a transition force and left the assistance that the libyan government then wanted, i don't believe we would be in this situation not only in libya but in iraq and that's the problem. they have a conflict and then they leave and that -- you can't do that and that's part of the foreign policy problems of the president. >> senator before we go, the poll out of florida this morning i think is fascinating. mason-dixon-polling. rubio and bush, 31% 30%. is that the race to watch? >> marco is a personal f...

Secretary, a pentagon veteran known for his expertise on nuclear issues. if confirmed, he would be the president's fourth pentagon chief. >> today i'm pleased to announce my nominee to be our next secretary of defense, mr. ash carter. now, with a record of service that has spanned more than 30 years, his public service, as an adviser, as a scholar, ash is rightly regarded as one of our nation's foremost national security leaders. >> whoever becomes the next defense secretary will face a host of foreign policy problems including the ongoing civil war in syria, the growing threat of isis and inc...

Democrats. >> absolutely. i think -- it is interesting the republicans after the last election and last sort of -- four, five months sort of bought into this idea of let's have a fight over income inequality, helping the poor. they haven't really dunk much except for accept that as a battleground. democrats have tried to roll out policies and have the traditional background of agenda else that they have done or pursued and that allows them to do things like talk about minimum wage which i don't think whether get done this year. stranger things have happened in an election year. it does give th...