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Friends told me about his personality, that he's the kind of person, kind of based on his life experience who a lot like donald trump tends to dig in and double down on -- >> never surrender attitude. >> never surrender, yeah. he's from a realess tate family that's a lot like the trump family in many ways and he's -- it's a third generation real estate business and his sort of formative experience in his life was his dad being sent to jail. and i think that that experience was -- had a lot of echoes with what's happening right now. >> that was a lot of dynasty interior drama for that family an...

Iraq. why should we listen to you, why is it that you have not forfeited whatever authority you had along with everyone else who got this huge thing wrong? >> if you don't think you should listen to me, you shouldn't have me in the program. >> i want you to explain why i should listen to you. i'm persuaded to listen to you on the substantive issue. >> or whether you should let me talk and turn down the volume when i do. we're all shaped by our formative experiences. especially foreign policy. matt's formative experience was the iraq war. i'm a little older than matt. i have different formative...

I think the national security establishment is far more skeptical of this as they've been of previous things. the body language of chuck hagel and dempsey is like, they want to have nothing to do with this, but john, i want to ask you, you supported the iraq war, you were wrong about that, you wrote this piece about not everything's iraq. why should we listen to you, why is it that you have not forfeited whatever authority you had along with everyone else who got this huge thing wrong? >> if you don't think you should listen to me, you shouldn't have me in the program. >> i want you to explain...