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Sudden, within 30 days, 60 days, you are in contempt and it's a problem. and it's not only a fine, you're going in. and you're going to go in until or unless you do with this court direct to. >> so why are they doing it? >> on the other hand, when you're someone else, then we can wait and stonewall and we can negotiate and, by the way, we've gotten them all in, but you really didn't, you did a search and you find more. it's just not fair. and the bottom line is, we have to have a country where the law equally applies to everyone, not just people who are former presidents, et cetera. you can't ...

And ensuring that your calming the community, you're knowing and getting the confidence of the community to the extent that you're investigating properly, it certainly should have been a development that occurred earlier. these cases are tough. i'm hoping that the forensic evidence and that type of thing might lead to other clues so they can bring forth accountability. but the fact, alison, you don't have a weapon at this point, and a suspect at this point is certainly troubling. >> what's so scary to about this, imagine being a student on this campus. in a world where we already have danger o...

In this contempt, right? worse it's almost like they don't trust him. almost like, they don't feel like they're getting all the things they want, that they're going to get all the things they want, and they're like, we're gonna hold this guy in contempt, so something actually gets him to do what we asked. he keeps getting around it. >> he keeps doing what he wants to do. >> isn't this federal judge going to do it? with this federal judge do it? >> the reality, alison, it depends on what do it means. what you're gonna do that has teeth? that has some real accountability? give him a fine that hi...

Public, that somebody spotted at 3:00 in the morning a car that wasn't familiar in the neighborhood. >> i don't disagree at all with that, particularly in a college community like this that's really unraveled, people unnerved by this, a lot of college students opting either not to come back or to do virtually, just very traumatic in. terms of the investigation you'd think certainly i'm glad they've gotten to the stage now, but in terms of expediting and insuring that you're calming the community, you're knowing and getting the confidence of the community to the extent you're investigating prop...