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To law school. >> but what as you pointed out at the beginning of the program, there are 23 statutory exceptions to the hearsay rule. and one of the things you learn in trying cases is that hearsay, those exceptions cover a lot. and if you're a good lawyer, you can get most hearsay in. it is, however, true, and i think it's important that we acknowledge this that putting aside the legalities, the republicans are right that if you're going to impeach donald trump, you need to talk about what donald trump did and said and ordered. and that has to be proven in different ways. and some of it is yo...

>> ambassador sondland is of course gordon sondland, ambassador to the european union and a million dollar trump donor. he gave the million to the inauguration. tomorrow's testimony puts the pressure on sondland to testify to what was on that particular call which the president says he doesn't even remember. again, he also said he hardly new sondland who as i said wrote a million dollar check pour the inaugural and whom the president rewarded with a plum job. in case, this all ties the president tighter to the allegation against him, could weaken one of main republican talking points that the ...

We hear this now, third, fourth, fifth-hand. >> first of all, hearsay is like circumstantial evidence. and in most crimes, it's circumstantial evidence that actually solves the crime. and we also have this summary of the president's phone conversation, and then we have his actions afterwards. and now we evidently have mr. sondland talking to the president in which the president says how about the investigation. so it's pretty straight forward. >> sondland never mentioned this other call. i believe in his testimony, he said he couldn't remember there were one or two calls with him and the presi...

But to rise to the most grave action you can take in our system against the president of the united states, especially on the eve of an election makes almost all of them uncomfortable. we just don't use impeachment like this. and so they don't -- >> really? >> they don't believe, they don't believe that what he did should be -- especially because we're on the eve of another political remedy. >> so if we weren't on the eve of an election, you're saying they would support impeachment? >> i'm saying that in the clinton instance, there was no remedy. it was in a second term. so that made it more l...

To law school. >> but as you pointed out at the beginning of the program, there are 23 statutory exceptions to the hearsay rule. and one of the things you learn in trying cases is that hearsay, those exceptions cover a lot. and if you're a good lawyer, you can get most hearsay in. it is, however, true, and i think it's important that we acknowledge this that putting aside the legalities, the republicans are right that if you're going to impeach donald trump, you need to talk about what donald trump did and said and ordered. and that has to be proven in different ways. and some of it is you sho...