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Is before them. >> right. and if we believe everything in this post report, these are pretty high leflt communications. people close to putin talking to people close to donald trump. and so it would, you know, lead to you believe there is a level of satisfaction inside the russian government that they knew who these people were that they were dealing with. >> i want to ask you on the foreign relations committee and outspoken about the forth policy in the world and i want to ask you to respond to something rex tillerson said. this is remarkable. about what the president speaks for. let's take a...

Bet. >> this strikes me as an interesting theory in the case. we are saying, let's table for a moment whether there is collusion, actively conspireing on the hacks. what you are saying is russia probing and satisfying themselves. these are people we can work with, people with can influence, people we can get to before the big thing happens when is that they decide to publish those hacked e-mails in the dnc. all this stuff we are learning is before them. >> right. and if we believe everything in this post report, these are pretty high leflt communications. people close to putin talking to peopl...

I think the tone is one piece of this and van talked about that. there's folks who say he's mean old donald trump but there are many more of us who say, no, you have to look at the record. look at what he did yesterday. this is dangerous. this is troubling. this is literally causing people to live in fear. we have to acknowledge that. it's not about him sounding presidential. it's about him being presidential and pushing forth policy that protects people on our soil and beyond. that is a reality. >> let me just make a -- it's -- it might be a minor point. it might be a major point. being presi...

Things here that are changing. cuba's policy, easing travel restrictions, opening the door to diplomatic relations. that was a huge move and he's also using the executive orders to get things done on immigration reform, climate change. do you think he's abandoned in some way the effort or the optimism of working with a congress that is going to be dominated of course by republicans? >> i think he's made a decision based on the past six years that for all the rhetoric of wanting to end gridlock that he is not going to get put in a position where he's hoping republicans will work with him but he...

Strategist, right? >> yes. so a lot of this is trying to reduce their presence at the polls. so okay, if this is happening, should people bechanging their focus to getting i.d.s. >> you saw in 2012 that black people went out in mass. when they come after our rights we have to go line up and early vote. we need to bus people to the polls. when our rights are infringed, we go out harder to exercise the rights. and the problem is they are not putting forth policy that encourages people to vote for them. they're just trying to strip away our rights. >> is the worry that people are proactive becaus...