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It was -- but i didn't want to -- i feel like i'm saying the same thing over and over. when i saw this suit get filed i'm like well of course did i, this is how they ran their business, this is how they're running the government. of course this is how they ran their foundation. >> yeah. >> but one other important point, the new york attorney general, not other the new york laws very strict but she referred this to the irs and the sec. referring it to the irs is a serious consequence for them. whether or not they will take up this case, they'll have to do an investigation and i think just anoth...

On the flip side, i've said this before and i'll repeat it, the donald trump folks do have a point when they say well if all this was so bad back in the day, why weren't we caught and prosecuted for it back in the day? it's also a product of an environment where he has more political opponents and scrutiny. that's not a legal defense but it is an argument for them to make if people feel like everything's getting thrown at him now that he's in the political arena. >> but hold on a second. that's why a lot of people say they don't want to run for office because they know they've got a little bit...

Saying that for the last two years. >> speaking of the witch hunt, and the brand really is that he would not -- it would not be good for his brand to see his former campaign manager in jail. while this plays out. if manafort goes to jail even for a temporary amount of time, really i think in the american mind is beyond just pleading guilty to something while the trial weighs out. i mean, he would be the man who stood up there, who was pushing for pro-ukrainian agenda at the rnc, now going to jail -- >> but will it -- >> -- pushes it to a place that trump -- >> but will it? a indictment, do you...

Is that going to be the case here because urs, it soundsy. >> it sounds like something you and many reporters have hit on, if you're so proud of your health why do you hide it? if you're so proud of your policy why do you claim it was a democrats idea? if the charity was run so well, why are you even suggesting that there's anything to settle? why won't the facts exonerate you period pointblank, that's how you win a case, it's not about settling. which is something i've mentioned he has problem with the very same new york ag's office before. there's a lot of circumstantial evidence. it doesn't...

Do you mind if i talk? >> just want to know if you're worried he's going to cooperate -- >> no, i'm not worried because i did nothing wrong, nothing wrong -- >> got it. >> mr. president, about don jr., did you dictate the statement about -- >> let's not talk about it. you know what that is? it's irrelevant. it's a statement to "the new york times." the phony failing "new york times." just wait a minute, wait a minute. >> to clear it up. >> that's not a statement to a high tribunal of judges. >> understand. >> that's a statement to the phony "new york times." in fact, frankly, he shouldn't even...